Commerce Via the Internet, a Long, Strange Trip
With a Happy Ending
Date: 2 March 1997
To: vw@toast.ml.org
From: (Ryan Young)
Subject: [fs]warnke propeller
When I bought my engine, it had a Warnke prop on it thatŐs not
suitable for my Sonerai. ItŐs a 56 X 39, and would be great for a
WWI replica, a Cygnet, or a Kitfox using a VW conversion. ItŐs
been very lightly used, the engine only had 3 hours on it. I
refinished it, but it needs to be balanced before being used.
Yours for $150 plus shipping.
I had to figure out how to ship the thing,
rec.aviation.homebuilt came to my rescue:
To: (Ryan Young)
From: (S2H)
Subject: Re: Shipping Propellers
Hello Ryan
We make composite props for Formula 1 and Pitts aircraft
(visit http://www.ddg.com/nemesis/). For a reusable box we modify
a "ski box" which is available from a local shipping supply
company. The box comes 10 x 5 x 83 and is open at both ends. We
cut it to 60 inch length (plus end flaps), slit it along the long
side and glue the ends up so the top opens up. Then we line it
with white beadboard polystyrene foam (in our case 2 inch thick
along the 5 x 10 and 5 x 60 inch sides and 3/4 inch thick on the
10 x 60 sides. The prop goes inside and is padded with foam
peanuts and the top is taped down. We have never had a problem
with FedEx and spend the extra 2.5% for insurance. UPS trashed one
of our props and will not guarantee anthing even with insurance.
Good Luck
Steve Hill
VP Owens Composites, Inc.
(Steve Hill)
A Canadian from New Brunswick replied, and we made the deal
after a series of e-mails and a few phone calls. He sent me a postal
money order in US dolars for $150, and I ate the shipping. I was to
send the prop to his ex-wife's in Florida, he'd pick it up on his way
to Sun & Fun. He'd avoid duty this way. It took me a while to
pack up the prop and send it. Ex-wife decided to move, and left the
day after I shipped the prop. I tried to redirect it en route with no
luck.
From:
To: Ryan Young
Subject: Prop shipment saga
Greetings Ryan, I don't know if you would like to continue
this from your end, or whether it would do any good, but the saga
continues thus; UPS dropped the prop off last Wed on Shedule. No
one was home, it is a "secure" area, so they just left in in the
screened entrance-way. My stepdaughter, <>, called the 1-800
number and they said no problem, we will pick it up, but a week
went by with more calls from Bev. They left a note today (and the
prop) saying they could not re-route out of state, that Bev should
call the local super and arrange forwarding. This is all very
reasonablle except we were told by the internet and 1-800 people
that it could be re-routed. Who is right.""" Maybe a blast from
your end would help. The Ft Pierce office obviously doesn't know
what they are doing. They called to confirm the Myrtle Street
address for a delivery a week after the delivery, and then said
they could not pick up and deliver at the same time. Hope you are
well!
Plan B - Send the prop to Calais, Maine. Given the oversize
parcel, the only way they would pick it up and send it to Maine was 2
day air, which was nearly twice what it cost to send it to Florida in
the first place.
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 03:52:49 +0100
From:
To: Ryan Young
Subject: Prop Saga
Hi Ryan. Apparantly the prop was picked up (hopefully by the
shppers) but has not yet arrived in Calais. It should be here
tomorrow, and I would let you know if I was going to be here but
must be out of town for 2 weeks, leaving early tomorrow. I'll
contact you later. My wife will pick up the "box" in the meantime
when it arrives.
Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 21:07:01 +0100
From:
To: Ryan Young
Subject: Prop Saga
Hi Ryan, Its beautiful! My friend picked it up and dropped it
off about 10 days ago but I just got home last night and opened
THE BOX! Alls well. Thanks for it all.
All's well that ends well. I guess. Notice how long this
transaction took.
My mistake was sending the prop to Florida. I had a sense the
ex-wife was going to bolt before the prop got there, but the buyer
really wanted to do it that way, and I caved in, good little
co-dependent that I am. Nevermore - both parties need to be
comfortable on an internet deal like this.
Your mileage may vary...